Two Old Farts Casting?

[theoldfart]

I have read 'casting distance' by 'Eccles '(T.O.F.2).

Now I disagree with casting out more than 20 yards at night.

I maintain that at night fish move inshore.

Daytime especially if the water is clear, then belt it out. (I agree on this)

But if it is rough I would rather fish just behind the breakers , not way past them.

Night time , fish in close.

So... what this brain dead old fart is suggesting is this...

Next time you go fishing at night, in the interest of this site , try half your casts inside 20 yards and the other half as far as you can cast them .

I would be really interested in any feedback over the weeks.

T.O.F.1

[Dazza]

Also TOF if you knew how to cast you'd know that not all fish move in at night,

when you say "belt it" alot of people can only cast 60-80yards WITH BAIT,

Have you ever put a bait 150+ yards and found whats out there when its dark? "No?"
well then you cant criticise DISTANCE CASTING At night.

Tightlines

[misplaiced]

Actually - TOF wasnt in any way having a pop at distance casters and he wasnt saying that he COULDNT distance cast - he was just expressing his thoughts that on a dark night fish come in close and wanted other readers thoughts and opinions on the subject ...............

[Dazza]

Mar 8, 2012 8:09:04 GMT misplaiced said:

Actually - TOF wasnt in any way having a pop at distance casters and he wasnt saying that he COULDNT distance cast - he was just expressing his thoughts that on a dark night fish come in close and wanted other readers thoughts and opinions on the subject ...............

So if fish come in close at night why do me and a few others, 80-90% of the time catch by putting a bait 125+ yards?

Answer me that one

[misplaiced]

Probably because you mostly fish shallow areas and distance casting puts you into deeper water perhaps? Down the back of the Island where it shelves down steeply Bass do come in very close I know that much for a fact

[theoldfart]

I know all fish don't move in at night but the ones I go for, Bass Sole do.

I also know that if every time you go to the beach and cast out 150 yards you will catch fish.

But have you ever tried casting 20 yards on a flood tide ?

Just because everyone casts out 100 yards doesn't mean that is the best way to catch fish, does it.?

Besides 90% of shark attacks happen in less than 4, foot of water. You put the bait there the fish come in .

All I am saying , right or wrong is try it.

Or is everyone too pig headed to try something different?

There is no right or wrong in casting just a difference of opinion!

Prove me wrong next time you go ,but in all fairness give it a fair go,,, then apologies will be accepted.

T,O,F 1

[Dazza]

Mar 8, 2012 18:17:21 GMT theoldfart said:

I know all fish don't move in at night but the ones I go for, Bass Sole do.

I also know that if every time you go to the beach and cast out 150 yards you will catch fish.

But have you ever tried casting 20 yards on a flood tide ?

Just because everyone casts out 100 yards doesn't mean that is the best way to catch fish, does it.?

Besides 90% of shark attacks happen in less than 4, foot of water. You put the bait there the fish come in .

All I am saying , right or wrong is try it.

Or is everyone too pig headed to try something different?

There is no right or wrong in casting just a difference of opinion!

Prove me wrong next time you go ,but in all fairness give it a fair go,,, then apologies will be accepted.

T,O,F 1

I Have put baits 20-30 yards out before and even in daylight ive caught bass but from over the years the hundreds/thousands of bass ive caught mostly have been when ive been giving it the spuds

[metalmark]

I always fish 2 rods, 1 out as far as i can possiby hit it "Clipped down" prob 100yds and a bit if its a force 5... ;D and the other in close..... under 50yds sometimes under 20yds just to hedge my bets... but for this topics I will start to post the distances at which "ANY" fish are caught...

Mark

[alananddan]

As I used to fish the East Anglian coast where fishing at distance often increased the chances of a fish, and fishing close in even at night often only gained a few bites at high tide.
Those of us who could cast could pick up the fish earlier, drop short when the fish moved in closer and extend the range again when ebb moved the fish.

I am guilty of not fishing close in often enough, but I am changing that because the situation on the Island is largely differant to the Essex / Suffolk coast.

I think the fish should dictate your casting distance, fishing two rods allows you to try a variety of distances.

Those who can cast well have more flexability to fish the distance required, as anyone can cast short. I usually fish a long range bait and a mid range bait dropping closer with the mid range rod with darkness and tide hieght, and cast around trying to find the fish.

[formidable]

Mar 7, 2012 20:22:30 GMT theoldfart said:

I have read 'casting distance' by 'Eccles '(T.O.F.2).

Now I disagree with casting out more than 20 yards at night.

I maintain that at night fish move inshore.

Daytime especially if the water is clear, then belt it out. (I agree on this)

But if it is rough I would rather fish just behind the breakers , not way past them.

Night time , fish in close.

So... what this brain dead old fart is suggesting is this...

Next time you go fishing at night, in the interest of this site , try half your casts inside 20 yards and the other half as far as you can cast them .

I would be really interested in any feedback over the weeks.

T.O.F.1

if you are talking about bass and sole,i will never, ever cast further than fifty yards at night from all but the shallowest of venues,the reason lots of anglers struggle to find fish at thier feet,so to speak is because most anglers use a bright light at night,it really can be that simple,i have had thirty two double figure bass,all in close, except two.
most of them in the wee small hours with no headlight or movement on the beach whatsoever for hours at a time,when we venture out ,we do so in daylight,get set up,put the red lenses on the headlights and settle in for a fair old wait,moving about only to check the livebaits or move back up the beach,at the end of the day people will fish at whatever range they feel comfortable with,and their is a massive problem in angling currently with skill bieng associated with casting further and further,as far as im concerned ,let them keep blasting it to france and bringing in the more numerous ,smaller fish,because i will be sticking to what i know to be a fact,most bigger bass and some of my stunning sole have all been frighteningly,close in.so close in in fact that most dont believe me ,and that suits me just fine.
how i found this out years ago still makes me laugh, i once told my dad to put a bait in a tiny gulley in a foot or two of water because he was getting impatient waiting for the flood,within minutes he was in to a good fish and at ten pounds two ounces, i was convinced ever since,oh and im quite capable of hitting good range with my set ups ,ive proved that with good rays and cod to twenty pounds from the shore in the winter.
i dont go onto a beach and think where would i like to fish,i look and think where will the food be at night,and if any of you have ever sat and watched the tide flood on a crystal clear sea,everything(prawns ,crabs,gobies )all march up the beach (with the leading edge of the water at times),im not into forum rows,there are plenty of forums and plenty of rows but honestly there are far more people prepared to gun it right out and see what happens than there are prepared to outwit a fish in total darkness at close range,each to their own

[trigger]

cmon guys leave the t,o,f alone he is a breath of fresh air on this site . im all for debate, but sometimes a few big egos from the i.o.w seem to think they know best, " sarcasm sometimes is the lowest form of wit!!!!" each to there own. you are fortunate on the i.o.w to have within 30 mins all kinds of different beach terrains to fish and probably better access to most baits, and some of you are lucky enough to be able spend more time than most of us pleasure anglers fishing!!, hence the fish you catch! long or short casts, they both work, . in different venues on the mainland most of my quality fish have come from short casts, in day time just that little bit further than nightime. if you do your homework,use your knowledge, study the species and experiment with different baits it will pay off. ok you may blank some days ,but so what i always believe in quality not quantity, tight lines guys regards Trigger

[snoopy54]

Ive been concentrating quite heavily on Mullet this past couple of Years,with a varying degree of success but I know I can catch them now - I just have to venture further afield and find the bigger ones

Something I have noticed though,through wearing polarized shades when Mulleting on a bright day is that on a flooding tide I have seen large Bass with their fins out of the Water rooting amongst the Bladderwrack for crabs and small fish - they could only have been in a foot of Water and ten feet from the shore.

I can understand where the Old Fart is coming from and like most people I take two Rods out with me when shore fishing but find it hard to get out of the mind set whereby I want to belt both sets of gear to K.C however,this Year,Im going to take a leaf out of the O.F,s book and deliberately drop one in short and see

[eccles]

Well as most sensible people seem to be saying, there is a time and a place. On Hayling we have a mixture of shallow and deep venues and I have done most of them over the years. As you might expect there are hot spots which at certain states of the tide/weather, can come alive with fish and I have discovered some of them. One in particular is around 110 yds out at HW and another just requires a 60 yd lob.
No I ain't telling, you'll have to do the work yerselves!

[trigger]

mmmmmm seems i need to cast quite a way! to get a bite, "i.o.w. maybe lobbings. not the way after all. my post did say each to their own ,and both long and short work. and yes it is me, tight lines, regards as always trig

[theoldfart]

Bloody hell.

I am so glad so many people have had a say on this thread ... but it comes down to the same old story...

It is NOT how LONG it is ; it is how you use it that counts!

Well that is what I tell Mrs Old Fart .

T O F xxx