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Post by bobshotter on Nov 2, 2013 18:29:27 GMT
Arthur comes under the banner of "ambassador" and his comment about sea fishing was certainly not ambassadorial. Obviously not a master of diplomacy but in the end just a thoughtless remark from a coarse fisherman. PS Bob, your link is listed as suspicious by Google. Has someone hacked it? See below What happened when Google visited this site?
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Post by regphillips on Nov 3, 2013 12:15:24 GMT
Arthur comes under the banner of "ambassador" and his comment about sea fishing was certainly not ambassadorial. Obviously not a master of diplomacy but in the end just a thoughtless remark from a coarse fisherman.
It was a remark made by a very frustrated angler, who only wants what is best for the future of all angling. Us sea anglers always find it hard to put our hands in our pockets, coarse anglers are use to paying out for their sport. Keith is doing great things for sea anglers in Sussex and not just with the Bexhill Sea Angling Festival, the man deserves our respect. No, I didn't like the remark either but I understand why he said it, kick up the backside and stop letting other anglers down was his real message and that was well deserved at the time. |
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Post by bobshotter on Nov 3, 2013 14:11:54 GMT
Arthur comes under the banner of "ambassador" and his comment about sea fishing was certainly not ambassadorial. Obviously not a master of diplomacy but in the end just a thoughtless remark from a coarse fisherman.
It was a remark made by a very frustrated angler, who only wants what is best for the future of all angling. Us sea anglers always find it hard to put our hands in our pockets, coarse anglers are use to paying out for their sport. Keith is doing great things for sea anglers in Sussex and not just with the Bexhill Sea Angling Festival, the man deserves our respect. No, I didn't like the remark either but I understand why he said it, kick up the backside and stop letting other anglers down was his real message and that was well deserved at the time. I don't think anyone is being critical Reg just stating facts, you know as well as I Keith’s remarks were jumped all over by the very people you describe; as in tight-fisted mouth pieces, those that we waste our time talking too all too often.
The AT need as much positive publicity as it can get because I don’t believe sea anglers are tight at all, as the realisation sinks in that they are going to be regulated then they will be more than happy to give twenty five quid to have someone fighting for their rights.
Personally I feel they should let B.A.S.S fight the Bass fight and concentrate on things like access be that fishing or bait collection; they might also say where they stand on issues like permits/licences bag limits and logs. After all let’s not forget the EU directive that spawned SA2012 had a Cod and Bass count included in it and that is supposed to be on going on an annual basis.
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Post by regphillips on Nov 3, 2013 21:19:39 GMT
Why make statements on permits/licences bag limits and logs when we don't know for sure that they will be implemented. You do not show your hand until you are at the end game. If these orgs want to tick their boxes to please the EU then there's not much we can do about it other than make sure we are ready to stop them implementing draconian restrictions on angling.
Let them play their games while we gather strength ready for the battles ahead.
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Post by tomstevo on Nov 3, 2013 22:21:00 GMT
He was and still is 100% right why should fresh water anglers be footing the bill for sea anglers.
If sea anglers want good well financed representation they will have to pay for it.
But please do not tell me sea anglers are not tight.. they are ask any tackle dealer until the up surge in Bass fishing, they were cheap skates.
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Post by danglinglad2 on Nov 4, 2013 15:46:46 GMT
Cheap Skates LoL very good.
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Post by iknowagoodplaice on Nov 4, 2013 16:24:39 GMT
I'm encouraged to hear that KA is doing his bit for all fishing. I agree that sea anglers are pretty bad at paying up to defend their interests, and some are pretty good at wrecking their interests (see discussions about WSF and assorted fruitcakes). But frankly coarse anglers aren't that much better. They have to pay subs and rod licence costs of course, but many moan about that and condemn the AT just as enthusiastically.
The best at looking after their interests are trout and salmon anglers. Salmon is the one success story (sort of) in the decline of fish in general - buyouts of Greenland netters. Protecting sea fish in general is much harder of course.
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Post by bobshotter on Nov 5, 2013 9:59:48 GMT
The real problem in my mind and I hear it so often is fresh water management can more or less guarantee the availability of fish to catch. Moves to restock, legal action to clean up water ways, providing better access for all and huge funding to promote the sport being just a few of the major factors. Whereas the marine environment is totally different, for example; other than the availability of funding to promote sea angling, that few are aware of, none of the above applies to RSA.
Many sea anglers say they would pay if they were to get something in return, not toilets and parking, which was the idea dreamed up at the last attempt to introduce a rod licence, but things that are believed will make a difference.
Naturally there will be much to debate on these issues, what some see as a brilliant cure all idea others will argue against, the Bass MLS being one that springs to mind.
On the subject of Licences/Permits and bag limits Reg I would make two points 1. How else are you to sell the idea that sea angling need representing? 2. Permits and bag limits have already been introduced by one IFCA in relation to cockels; another is looking at it on a swath of regulation, so to liken this to a card game would impo be foolish. Anglers need to be informed, but it’s getting the message across to a group of people who let’s face it go angling to escape from such thing as politics is the bridge that needs to be crossed.
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Post by regphillips on Nov 5, 2013 22:12:54 GMT
I can see there will soon be permits to dig bait whether free or not and I have no problem with sensible bags limits, if they work to help protect a stock in desperate need of help. I have raised concerns about future bait collection restrictions and possible permits for several months now. It has been an eye opener for sure because Sussex anglers, or the ones that I have spoken too, do not seem bothered with permits to dig bait. Even when I mentioned there could be restrictions on the amount of bait you can dig with this permit, truth seems to be that anglers will adapt, and if needed, register for permits. Maybe they still don't understand that they are willing to surrender their right to dig, and maybe fish, unhindered.
Their choice Bob, it must always be their choice that matters even if we don't like it.
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Post by bobshotter on Nov 5, 2013 22:42:38 GMT
I can see there will soon be permits to dig bait whether free or not and I have no problem with sensible bags limits, if they work to help protect a stock in desperate need of help. I have raised concerns about future bait collection restrictions and possible permits for several months now. It has been an eye opener for sure because Sussex anglers, or the ones that I have spoken too, do not seem bothered with permits to dig bait. Even when I mentioned there could be restrictions on the amount of bait you can dig with this permit, truth seems to be that anglers will adapt, and if needed, register for permits. Maybe they still don't understand that they are willing to surrender their right to dig, and maybe fish, unhindered. Their choice Bob, it must always be their choice that matters even if we don't like it. Couldn’t agree more Reg but some education would not go a miss and that impo is where the AT are failing both as a representative org as well as their members. |
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