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Post by solehunter on Feb 15, 2008 18:53:00 GMT
Also found this article by West Country tackle dealer Phil Hyde. Vermiculite is a by-product of smelting, is produced at high temperatures and contains metal and acid anhydrides (acid with water removed). It is an insulator, and ragworms feed in the dark by detecting temperature changes. Put a ragworm on your hand and it will try to eat you...it doesn't dislike you and is not trying to attack!! I found the "fizzy worms" problem many years ago, and a marine biologist well-known to sea anglers showed me what had happened. He asked for a worm and a razor blade, slit the worm from the head to near the tail, and down the middle were small bits of vermiculite! Feeling it as warm, the worms ate the stuff, which clagged up the intestinal tract, and the worm then swallowed air to try and dislodge the obstruction, hence the fizzing. The worm of course cannot survive once it is stored on the stuff. One of my diggers when I sold bait had a solution. He soaked his "Micafil" in sea water for several hours in a sack to remove the "fines", squeezed it to remove the excess water, then stored the worms in that. Result - perfect worms. Hope this helps, philtherod Recipe......... Micafil 1 x sack sea water..............ahhhhh 100 miles from the coast Gazza...doh  ........plan B Good bit of info there gaz! Like i say, they CAN work, but they are obviously no match for fresh dug out of the mud / sand. |
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Post by pout on Feb 15, 2008 19:47:56 GMT
In rocky locations farmed ragworm can work extremely well especially for the likes of wrasse, pollack and pout but if used in an area where ragworm can grow naturally they are a very poor second.
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Post by solehunter on Feb 15, 2008 22:33:31 GMT
Makes sence! Good times and bad times on them by the looks of things. I have had many a bad `untouched `bait night on both!
Some of them are like large snakes, bet they would be good bass bait with 2 or 3 up the hook!
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Post by monkeynuts on Feb 16, 2008 11:45:42 GMT
dont get me wrong fresh is best every time.
but iv done ok with farmed worms from als tackel in woolston, his seem to be jucy and and about the right size and also red. iv also had some very bad farmed worms in the past and thay are usless, like you say , tough and no juices or green and soggy.
i think it might depend on how thay are cared for in transit.
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Post by leeds4ever on Feb 17, 2008 11:17:43 GMT
I have fished 27 hrs during daylight hours since December using mainly farmed worms and i have had no fish what so ever and i would not not recommend them at all.Maybe its just me being unlucky but 27 hours !!!!! I seem to catch plenty of fish in the darkness hours all year round but only small pout on farmed worms so there definatly a no no for me.
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Post by squideyebarnes on Feb 19, 2008 21:45:39 GMT
In rocky locations farmed ragworm can work extremely well especially for the likes of wrasse, pollack and pout but if used in an area where ragworm can grow naturally they are a very poor second. Maybee that is the key to them!! Andy |
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Post by pout on Feb 21, 2008 13:42:14 GMT
I seemed to remember the anglers being given farmed worms during the World Shore Angling Championships at Chesil a few years ago and they caught plenty of fish, so it is the dangler or the worm!!!!!!
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Post by eddy on Feb 22, 2008 15:33:34 GMT
will only use them now if all else is unavailable,i find they fall to bits on a cast even on clip down rigs  fresh is best ;D |
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Post by peterpan3494 on Feb 24, 2008 8:33:48 GMT
cant beat a bit of digging chaps  |
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Post by FlattieFanatic on Mar 3, 2008 6:40:38 GMT
I remember a local tackle shop that used to sell them and they were terrible,green worms have also been mentioned basically they r the ragworm in mating mode(i think)  |
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Post by Female species on Jul 22, 2008 21:33:24 GMT
ive used farmed worms a couple of times,
we got some yesterday, because our usual was closed,
we stored them over night to use them again today,and we also got some from our local bloke to make sure we had enough, and to put a long storey short
farmed dont wiggle like they should naturally,
and the dug ones wanna eat me lol...
freshley dug gives more bites in my opinion
clare
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Post by snapslilly on Jul 22, 2008 22:24:55 GMT
Yeah must agree with most of you, Farmed are never as good a fresh dug, also farmed wormers are always small, you cannot beat a good king rag!!! ;D
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Post by aaron on Jul 25, 2008 13:04:51 GMT
i only use farmed worms when i cant get hold of freshly dug worms.
i get more bites and catch more on freshly dug worms
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Post by paulg on Jul 25, 2008 13:42:02 GMT
dont get me wrong fresh is best every time. but iv done ok with farmed worms from als tackel in woolston, his seem to be jucy and and about the right size and also red. iv also had some very bad farmed worms in the past and thay are usless, like you say , tough and no juices or green and soggy. i think it might depend on how thay are cared for in transit. Als seems to be one of the few places that has better quality farmed, better still on the day of his delivery and if you get them from him then then they are every bit as lively and juicy as fresh dug although fished alongside fresh dug they didnt seem to do as well, mind you the fresh dug were dug from the Hamble and i was fishing the Hamble at the time, just put that down to the natural worms from an area will always outperform worms from another area or farmed. |
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