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Post by olsmelly on Aug 20, 2009 23:09:00 GMT
I have often wondered why some casting multipliers are equipped with permanent level winding mechanisms, when we go to such lengths to chop 'em off!
Why don't manufacturers think in terms of clip-on level winders?
Surely such an innovation is not beyond them! Then we could have the best of both worlds: unclip 'em for casting and put 'em back for retrieve.
I know some smarty will say, "But they impede casts by slowing the spool!" But that is immaterial. It might apply to tournament casting. However, it does not apply to run-of-the-mill beach casting where the odd metre distance does not particularly affect catches.
Anyway, slight adjustments of spindle tension allows fine speed control, so loosen it slightly.
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Post by sailorboyrob on Aug 21, 2009 4:49:15 GMT
The idea that the level wind slows the spools is correct as the drive train has to be driven by the spool, the level wind drive is generally lubricated with grease which runs alot slower than the bearing oil. Even by disconnecting the level wind the drive chain will still slow the spool dramatically. Most bait casting multipliers that are fitted with a levelwind actually diconnect the drive mechanism when the spool is put into free spool so that they dont run at all during the cast.
Out and out casting reels arent fitted with level winds, but more general purpose reels are.
As for adjusting the spool tension to tune the reel, im sorry to say that this is the last thing you want to do. You should set up the end float and then leave it alone! My end caps are lock-tited in place so that they dont accidently get knocked or moved. The spindle should have a noticable but extemly small movement and certainly shouldnt be under any compression or you will distort the spindle and frame of the reel and knacker the bearings, also is the spindle has more than a tiny bit of movement it will become uncontrolable as the distance between the mags and the spool will vary during the cast and the brake blocks will be all over the place on the brake drum, as the spool wobbles from side to side.
Fine adjustments of the spool speed should be made with the mags (if you have them) or done at home before fishing by altering the bearing oil grade and brake block arrangement.
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Post by mooseman on Aug 21, 2009 15:20:13 GMT
for me the main problem with level winds isnt the slowing of the spool (considerable btw) but the restricted grip offered because the top bar used to control the level wind doesnt allow firm thumb grip. its also a nightmare to get overruns out for the same reason
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Post by lighty on Aug 21, 2009 21:30:45 GMT
Quote.... "You should set up the end float and then leave it alone!"
Quite right m8, I take the end caps off (on Abu's) and wrap some PTFE tape around the thread's
and the caps tighten up nice and solid.
lighty
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Post by MiloB on Aug 22, 2009 9:53:23 GMT
I have often wondered why some casting multipliers are equipped with permanent level winding mechanisms, when we go to such lengths to chop 'em off! Why don't manufacturers think in terms of clip-on level winders? Surely such an innovation is not beyond them! Then we could have the best of both worlds: unclip 'em for casting and put 'em back for retrieve. I know some smarty will say, "But they impede casts by slowing the spool!" But that is immaterial. It might apply to tournament casting. However, it does not apply to run-of-the-mill beach casting where the odd metre distance does not particularly affect catches. Anyway, slight adjustments of spindle tension allows fine speed control, so loosen it slightly. i have allways wonderd this myself it would be such a good idea, i find my level wind annoying because it wont let shockleader nots go through  |
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Post by stingraymaster on Aug 22, 2009 17:04:48 GMT
try tieing a propa shockleader knot m8  |
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Post by allandec on Aug 22, 2009 18:13:28 GMT
try tieing a propa shockleader knot m8 or try a tapered shockleader....... :stoned: |
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Post by phish on Aug 23, 2009 4:35:07 GMT
About 40 years ago I'm sure I used to have a small multi where the level wind disengaged for casting.
It may have been a Daiwa.
Like all these sort of things it probably was an OK idea but difficult to engineer and maintain reliability.
Simple with no encumbrances always seems to win out...does mean that a degree of skill in use is required though.
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Post by olsmelly on Aug 24, 2009 17:07:33 GMT
Well, I live and learn. However, a clutch release for the level wind mechanism would not be that difficult to engineer.
Anyway! I prefer fixed spool reels........ so much simpler to handle.......... but I'm a clumsy sod anyway!
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Post by mooseman on Aug 24, 2009 17:40:34 GMT
ABU UltraMAgs disengage the actual winder but the mechanism is still driven by the spool so its not a complete solution
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