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Post by Sunny on Jan 12, 2013 19:05:39 GMT
sorry 2 b a sceptic i cant see how this survey has any importance to anyone apart from a bunch of students ( in a country who want independence ) who want us to get them a phd. and we pay their uni fees as well ! i worked thro the survey & then killed it without ownership by DEFRA this i believe is meaningless plus the questions are hypothetic to the point of idiocy .or maybe im the idiot & someone will put me right ; in which case ill complete it . had a good day off newhaven sunday last 12lb cod good doggies & a huge whiting nearly 3 lb. ( own boat) happy new year dave We have every right to feel sceptical of the govenment and managment of the seas......but if we don't get our feelings down then we will - quite rightly - be totally ignored. I want to have my say about fisheries managment and if that means filling in questionaires for whomever I will do it, again and again. If we don't then they will have every right to do their own thing and totally dismiss us.... its up to you ?!! The survey in question is being bombarded by divers filling it in.... do you want to see your locally angling curtailed to satisfy the wishes of divers; who took the time to make their feelings known ;D If you don't want to reply to the money aspects then say 'No' Cheers Nick |
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Post by bleth on Jan 12, 2013 19:31:24 GMT
I have and do complete surveys where i feel the end product is going to produce useful data but this particular one seems to be an exercise in semantics .to ask if i fish projected conservation areas uk wide is daft .there is only one near me which would involve a near 50 mile round trip.over 1 hour steaming each way and frankly too far for safety with uk weather . most people i supect would say the same , and no i wouldnt travel 100 miles + when there is good fishing on my doorstep ,so can someone tell me what makes this one special? and maybe im being thick but why is the diving fraternity so keen ? i dont see what they expect to get from this dave
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Post by Sunny on Jan 12, 2013 19:51:45 GMT
I have and do complete surveys where i feel the end product is going to produce useful data but this particular one seems to be an exercise in semantics .to ask if i fish projected conservation areas uk wide is daft .there is only one near me which would involve a near 50 mile round trip.over 1 hour steaming each way and frankly too far for safety with uk weather . most people i supect would say the same , and no i wouldnt travel 100 miles + when there is good fishing on my doorstep ,so can someone tell me what makes this one special? and maybe im being thick but why is the diving fraternity so keen ? i dont see what they expect to get from this dave I know loads of anglers who regularly drive more than 100 miles to target particular fish at the best venues. I live 300 yards from the sea and I still drive a round trip of 130 miles to fish a venue that is beyond my dreams But putting those considerations aside I just think we - anglers - need to be as proactive as we can spare the time to be to advance and protect our hobby. Its a small price to pay (time) to have our thoughts recorded But your points are correct and it won't make much difference if we don't cooperate and fill this one in |
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Post by maniyak on Jan 12, 2013 23:44:02 GMT
I think I'll probably be on the lines of most here when I say that "IF" anything good ever comes of such surveys in our lifetimes, we will all as lovers of the marine environment find some benefit and even if we don't, lets hope our future generations will. Knocking up a 3 hook flapper takes longer!
I also agree that I have nothing but negative thoughts when it comes to the financial side of things. I do quite a lot of freshwater angling as well and have to admit that I see very little for what I consider a tax for being in possession of a rod by a body of water. This is of course my personal view as I have only ever seen clubs (requiring additional fees) make contributions to a water that benefits the environment. The only thing in many years of being an angler I have seen from the EA is persons asking to see my rod tax receipt.
Anyway, it's not our financial burden to sort this mess out, it's down to those who pillaged our seas and shores beyond ecological and environmental repair in the first place??
Rant nearly over, but when I see the words donation, environment, sea and angling in a sentence it gets my back up. I only have to think of the VAT on gear alone we must spend let alone the rest (fuel to get there, bait, etc)
I hate to admit it, but we could take a leaf from the yanks on this one! Less ticking boxes and more action. Ban disturbance of nursery grounds, build artificial reefs, plant as many wind farms out there as possible and above all protect our waters from foreign influence.
Tight lines all.
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Post by iknowagoodplaice on Jan 13, 2013 13:33:45 GMT
We must assume the survey has a purpose, even if one or two cannot see that purpose. And the reason divers are filling in the survey (if indeed they are) is the same reason other water users take a keen interest: they see that it is for their benefit.
It seems peculiar to anglers, especially sea anglers, to refuse to do anything to help themselves. Some look for any excuse to ignore all these initiatives, refuse any cooperation, and especially refuse to contribute any money.
As for the freshwater licence, the EA actually do a considerable amount of work on rivers and stillwaters. But if you only go fishing and have no involvement with a club and its workings, you probably won't see that. But you do get something back for your money nonetheless.
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Post by eccles on Jan 13, 2013 14:36:01 GMT
Quite right Iknow, some people will dream up any minor excuse for not doing stuff. Usually they are the types who always see a half empty glass rather than a half full one.
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Post by Sunny on Jan 14, 2013 9:04:56 GMT
What made us so sceptical...yes I know...it was them; the people in charge. The ones who allowed the extermination, for short-term profit, to bolster exports, to reduce imported food. Let us not forget the water-pikeys who daily set those nets and drag those chains; in the name of a quaint industry of hardworking, hardy, seafaring folk, following generations...... yawn yawn ! Just one example of their behaviour: they used bass - by the hundreds of tons - to furtilise the fields of the Isle of Wight  So do we cooperate and answer their questions ? I would personally poke them in the eye with a sharp pencil.....but it won't stop them. Will it benefit my hobby/passion for angling to answer their questions; who knows....but it has to be worth a try. Least we, the grumbling majority, fail to have our say.... |
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Post by bleth on May 18, 2013 10:09:59 GMT
continuing my rant attached to the TOF thread can in bring this one up?
iknowagoodplaice told me to fill the survey when i said it was a waste of time so i did
the upshot of that was that i went to the s/hampton workshop , along with fishyeye
i didnt really want to go , but i said i would go and report back to members 140 mile round trip & no dinner , but what the hell theres no point in moaning about the state of the seas etc.
anyway, i duly reported back, as did fishyeye. and awaited questions etc. from members ---- so - what happened ?
NOTHING
not even ta 4 taking the trouble -
if this is the level of interest in the sport & state of the seas around our coast on this site its no wonder nobody bothers to log on anymore
for $%£@ sake will you lot start taking an interest.
i thought this site was a forum for thinking anglers . if its just a jolly hobby for the admin bunch let me know & i,ll bugger off
admin - let some of the members have a say b4 you kill this & me !
Dave
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