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Post by theoldfart on Sept 21, 2013 8:59:00 GMT
I don't know if any of you Nippers saw the story last week about the White Toilet Seat Advert in Russia? (Google it if you didn't ).
One person complained that it was racist and the story made international news.
All of our fish stocks are being decimated by over fishing,and no bugger says a thing.
We occasionally get a mention in the papers that there is a summit in some European capital or another ( free all paid jolly for them) where fishing quotas will be discussed, before sod all is done so they can go back on another jolly the following year.
Thing is one person complained about the colour of a bog seat and it went global.
How many anglers are there in this country? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands?
Isn't it about time we all got together and made our voice heard?
I have never been on other fishing forums, but they must exist. So why don't we all try to get something together before it really is too late?
MPs and especially Euro MPs ( who ever they are) like a quiet life. They DO NOT like the publisity of TV cameras outside party HQ with a deputation of Anglers/ Fishermen asking aquard questions with a pertition singed by thousands.
So if we all really care about the future then it really is time to stand together and make our voices heard. Yes it will take some doing to get people motivated,but lets face facts we have the social media to do it, we have enough forums to do it, we have enough fishing magazines to do it so why not get something together?
If fish could speak they could claim asylum as soon as they got into British Waters because of mass slaughter and persecution they are suffering every where . But as they can't they get no protection from our Goverment or any one else.
One day some kid will say 'Was there really fish in the sea grandad?"
I wonder if one of you will be that grandad?
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Post by Sunny on Sept 22, 2013 4:18:36 GMT
World Sea Fishing forum (WSF) is the one TOF. It boasts 73,045 members (as of just now). Its 6am and there are 409 users online !!!! WSF dominates the sea angling social media. It's owner is growing rich from advertising and sale of angling equipment. Almost exclusively the Mods are Commercial Fishermen (not the south coast Mod; who is quite a nice guy and even comes on B&B; presumeably for a quiet time). If you post - on any of the board categories - anything that mentions poor fish stock, conseravtion or anti-commercial rhetoric; you will very quickly have the thread moved to the so called 'Conservation, Angling Politics and Local Issues' area. Where the water-pikeys will be waiting for you. They will incite you to get angry, so they can ban you. If that fauls they will gang up on you and throw countless facts and figures at you, to try and drown you in alleged truth. If you can present rationale counter evidence they will dismiss it as the unfactual nonesense of scientists. They hate (strong word) but they do actually hate some of the leading UK marine scientists and if you mention their names they 'go off on one'. Ther funniest thing I did was to check their catch reports...hilariuous....and then produced a chart of Anglers and Danglers, listing their complete lack of angling ability. They are not anglers, they are Commercial water-pikeys and I have to say that they are quite clever in their insidious control of the biggest angling forum in the UK. They stop any angling debate and anyhting that could point the finger - quite rightly - at the greed of commercial activity in destroying our seas for the 'fast buck'. So if you feel like a fight...here is the link www.worldseafishing.com/forums/forum.php |
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Post by Sunny on Sept 22, 2013 7:30:13 GMT
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Post by Sunny on Sept 22, 2013 20:20:05 GMT
Seems my words here have been reported back to the Commercials on WSF...and they are not happy :0)
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Post by iknowagoodplaice on Sept 23, 2013 15:59:20 GMT
Well done Sunny. They should rename that forum Conservation Haters and Vehements, or CHAVS for short. :lol: Yes, you're right; they really are a bunch of ignoramuses, one or two of whom pop up on other forums, where they're just as mad. That offshoot, the RSA outfit, was kicked off the CEFAS panel - presumably for their crazy antics.
So, no hope of any sensible conservation pressure from that quarter. Anglers are not well organised in that respect. The EU is taking steps to sort out this quota business. We wait and hope.
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Post by Sunny on Sept 24, 2013 5:03:09 GMT
Well done Sunny. They should rename that forum Conservation Haters and Vehements, or CHAVS for short. :lol: Yes, you're right; they really are a bunch of ignoramuses, one or two of whom pop up on other forums, where they're just as mad. That offshoot, the RSA outfit, was kicked off the CEFAS panel - presumably for their crazy antics. So, no hope of any sensible conservation pressure from that quarter. Anglers are not well organised in that respect. The EU is taking steps to sort out this quota business. We wait and hope. From time to time I dip in there to poke them in the ribs. But it becomes too time consuming. Its a real shame that anglers don't have a unified voice. If we were like the bird watchers (RSPB) we would be the most powerful lobbying group in the UK - given our numbers. But there is scant chance of that. WSF would be a great place to launch a coherent voice, but that will never be allowed; not so long as Mike Thrussel jnr allows his site to be run by Commercials (and pro-commercial) fishermen. I have never understood why he allows it. They do nothing to promote angling and their very activities are designed to ruin sea angling, for their own greedy gain. Bonkers !!! I did bring this up with the Angling Trust, at some presentation they were doing. I'm not a member by the way...which is to my shame, as they are at least doing stuff on our/my behalf. I suggested that they would benefit from sorting out the imbalance on WSF...but I do not see any improvment. perhaps Mike jnr prefers the company of commercials ! |
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Post by iknowagoodplaice on Sept 24, 2013 9:20:32 GMT
No I don't understand it either, especially since from one of his occasional posts I got the impression he's an intelligent chap. Perhaps he's just happy to have the commercial benefit and let the rabble run riot. I don't go there any more. I once suggested to him he rein in the mad mods but got no reply. Still, they are very easy to poke fun at, though as you say, a waste of time.
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Post by Sunny on Sept 24, 2013 18:05:13 GMT
No I don't understand it either, especially since from one of his occasional posts I got the impression he's an intelligent chap. Perhaps he's just happy to have the commercial benefit and let the rabble run riot. I don't go there any more. I once suggested to him he rein in the mad mods but got no reply. Still, they are very easy to poke fun at, though as you say, a waste of time. You are spot on there. If you start to challenge them with resoned debate they will quickly call in reinforcements and trun it in to a personal slanging match; thereby avoiding the real issues. Its quite clever really....you have to respect your enemy when they are creative; even though they are a crowd of chattering monkeys :0) |
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 1, 2013 20:04:02 GMT
Way to go Nick Sunny most refreshing set of posts on WSF in ages you will no doubt get banned for some dopy reason or another that’s how it is there. Mike Thrushel Jnr is a disgrace to sea angling for allowing the site to be so one sided.
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 1, 2013 20:30:34 GMT
Could I also reply to the OP (Theoldfart) I’m one too, LOL
Organising sea anglers is a kin to herding cats it really is a shame because you are absolutely right the numbers of sea anglers is eye watering; yet you try and find a dozen who care enough about the sport let alone be prepared to give up some time and possibly put hand in pocket to protect what we hold dear. If you can answer that my email is bobshotter@rsa-uk.org
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Post by iknowagoodplaice on Oct 2, 2013 19:49:13 GMT
I recall you being a core member of that conservation nightmare on wsf Bob. Have you left all that behind along with luxton?
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Post by Sunny on Oct 3, 2013 7:51:48 GMT
I recall you being a core member of that conservation nightmare on wsf Bob. Have you left all that behind along with luxton? I think that any angler that foes in there can only continue for so long. They always resort to making it personal, especially when they cannot get you on pure argument. Their playground gang mentality is appauling and the fact that the mods encourage and take part in it is deplorable. Still if that is what Mike Thrussell wants then so be it. I am curious though, why Mike gets on so well with the likes of Henry Gilbey; who is roundly dispised by the 'Conservation Crowd' on WSF. especially since henry openly critisised the commercial netters in the Channel Islands. WSF remains the un-tapped source of a more unified angling-voice. But so long as the 'Conservation Crowd' hold court then that will never happen. |
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 3, 2013 8:35:03 GMT
I was banned for a week then Ron Angel had a word with Ginger and the ban went from a week to life Seems being out spoken ain’t his cup of tea and he would far sooner stick up for a guy who openly promotes breaking/disregarding the law.
They also got rid of Tom Stevens another who voiced the opinion of the everyday sea angler and ran a constant battle with the anti SSACN brigade. They of course are led on by their illustrious know it all leader with the gin palace and a scalloping boat. Blinded by his ability to find fish which of course comes easy if you’re out there 24/7 scraping the sea bed.
As for Luxton well getting involved with that man was a big mistake never come across such a self-righteous idiot in all my life. Nick is spot on a small band of space wasters hold the fort and the true reason for WSF C+P is not for political talk at all, it’s a dustbin where any rubbish on other parts of the site are sent in an out of sight out of mind idea dreamed up by the guvnor.
Your contribution Nick was a joy to read as always not saying I agree totally but you make far more sense than all of the usual suspects put together and if you feel like another pop at them try my Rodbenders Facebook page.
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 3, 2013 11:45:15 GMT
Second thoughts time that page was put down LOL
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Post by iknowagoodplaice on Oct 3, 2013 21:56:29 GMT
Must have gone some to get banned from wsf. Welcome to the light side. Agree about the luxton. That one pops up on another site, more's the pity.
Wouldn't mind seeing your post Nick, but I don't have an account on wsf.
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