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Post by Sunny on Oct 18, 2013 6:12:36 GMT
Which brings us nicely back to the point of lobbying groups...and our lack of one. The Commercial Fishing Industry are organised and vociferous...we on the-other-hand are in complete disarray. Its a shame as we could certainly put pressure on politicians to at least consider our interests
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Post by tomstevo on Oct 18, 2013 8:58:53 GMT
votefish.org/While the industry is being so heavily subsidised, the true cost of fish is not being seen.
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 18, 2013 9:36:07 GMT
Which brings us nicely back to the point of lobbying groups...and our lack of one. The Commercial Fishing Industry are organised and vociferous...we on the-other-hand are in complete disarray. Its a shame as we could certainly put pressure on politicians to at least consider our interests An org or lobby group requires a dozen or so good men from across the whole spectrum of sea angling who would be prepared to sit down and sort through the differences and come up with some positive recommendations that sea anglers would support.
Those same men would however also have to take some responsibility in making sure the group works, that means committing time and effort and that is the problem. We live in a world where few have the time to spare let alone the commitment after all once you stick your head above the parapet you have to be able to handle the flack as Nick will I'm sure confirm.
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Post by iknowagoodplaice on Oct 18, 2013 10:24:08 GMT
An org or lobby group requires a dozen or so good men from across the whole spectrum of sea angling who would be prepared to sit down and sort through the differences and come up with some positive recommendations that sea anglers would support.
That would be the Angling Trust. I don't know all the people who run it, but I've met two and they're sound. |
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 18, 2013 10:42:35 GMT
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Post by Sunny on Oct 18, 2013 12:51:25 GMT
Bob, you are spot on...and the time these things consume is very demanding. Take Leon Roskilly, whose life is devoured by this topic. We have to give our gratitude to him and the others like him that do so much on all our behalfs.
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 18, 2013 13:31:51 GMT
Bob, you are spot on...and the time these things consume is very demanding. Take Leon Roskilly, whose life is devoured by this topic. We have to give our gratitude to him and the others like him that do so much on all our behalfs. The truth is Nick we need more people with the same degree of dedication as Leon and dare I say it some young blood. People who are prepared to sit down and debate issues with others with an open mind, yes we all have our set views but finding a compromise is the only route to unity.
Maybe it needs to be done behind closed doors to start with, which is just as our regulatory bodies work but first and foremost we need a dozen lads to steep up to the plate.
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Post by iknowagoodplaice on Oct 18, 2013 15:07:13 GMT
I've seen Leon post on a couple of forums I think. He tends to be rather diffident - drowned out by the usual lot.
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Post by theoldfart2 on Oct 18, 2013 15:47:49 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong, but..... I seem to remember that quite a few years ago the Norwegians, hammered the sand ells for I think, fish oil.
I also believe that in the late, 70s the Jocks hammered the prawn stocks to the verge of nothing.
When you take out the species that are at the bottom of a food chain, as we all know the chain collapses.
It is very convenient for governments etc who can then say, well we haven't fished this area for five years and the fish stocks haven't recovered, so there is no point.
The way the echo system has been decimated, leaving an area of sea alone for a few years isn't going to work.
Its like cutting down the rain Forrest , ploughing up the ground for years until nothing grows. Then leaving it for five years before saying, "Well we left it alone, and the forest didn't grow back"
The damage we have done, and I really do mean We, as I doubt there isn't one if us who hasn't bought fish from the supermarket, or ad fish and chips from the chippy , will take decades to recover, if we stopped now. But, the French, Spanish and our other European partners, don't give a hoot about fish stocks.
The attitude is when we overfish one species , find another. Deep water trawling is now becoming popular, and with modern fish finding gear......well we all know the result.
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Post by skyetoyman on Oct 18, 2013 18:32:11 GMT
Totally agree with the reef tyres. The more the merrier. We have a reef just 200 yds from the launching ramp. Most of the local boats don't fish it. It is too near for the macho men. It is full of all sorts.
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Post by tomstevo on Oct 18, 2013 22:46:12 GMT
Cf are on a race to the bottom
Take the Clyde first you fish out the silver fish like herring, then you net the round fish Cod and haddock, then trawler every inch with Prawns nets, then you plough the whole lot with Scallop dredgers.
To complete the task you then electrocute the bottom to take all the Razors just to make sure its died.
Task complete move on.
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 19, 2013 8:02:31 GMT
Cf are on a race to the bottom Take the Clyde first you fish out the silver fish like herring, then you net the round fish Cod and haddock, then trawler every inch with Prawns nets, then you plough the whole lot with Scallop dredgers. To complete the task you then electrocute the bottom to take all the Razors just to make sure its died. Task complete move on. Look on the bright side Tom now they can build some under water apartments an under water bowling green and even an underwater race track for their BMW Sub XL5 s along with.................
Sorry just being silly
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Post by bleth on Nov 7, 2013 19:15:29 GMT
I recall you being a core member of that conservation nightmare on wsf Bob. Have you left all that behind along with luxton? I think that any angler that foes in there can only continue for so long. They always resort to making it personal, especially when they cannot get you on pure argument. Their playground gang mentality is appauling and the fact that the mods encourage and take part in it is deplorable. Still if that is what Mike Thrussell wants then so be it. I am curious though, why Mike gets on so well with the likes of Henry Gilbey; who is roundly dispised by the 'Conservation Crowd' on WSF. especially since henry openly critisised the commercial netters in the Channel Islands. WSF remains the un-tapped source of a more unified angling-voice. But so long as the 'Conservation Crowd' hold court then that will never happen. I had the temerity to suggest that wsf could be used to represent ,and be the voice of angling . that post got pulled in less than 10 minutes . didn't even end up in conservation, it got shoved in the comments and suggestions thing ,which is similar to a black hole .things go in ,but never come out again Dave |
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Post by bobshotter on Nov 8, 2013 1:20:50 GMT
Fear not gentlemen I have a feeling you will have some good news soon  |
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Post by bobshotter on Nov 9, 2013 21:17:53 GMT
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