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Post by skyetoyman on Oct 10, 2013 8:31:38 GMT
The other "angling" site is crazy.
"The Scottish Government is currently consulting on proposals for 33 new Marine Protected Areas, ranging from spectacular coral gardens and sponge reefs to sheltered sea lochs with fireworks anemones and two-metre tall sea pens.
this is the bit i dont get,if the stuff is still there after centuries of commercial fishing,why does it need protecting now ? its obviously in an area that doesnt get fished.
after personally catching the MCS manipulating results of their survey not so long ago,i take anything they have to say with a pinch of salt.
cheers rab"
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Post by Sunny on Oct 10, 2013 19:20:28 GMT
Rab,
I think the problem is that one dredge/net can destroy 10,000 years of growth (in some cases). making them conservation zones simply provides legal boundaries to commercial activity. Not the it will stop them....just means that if they get caught they could get told-off :0)
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Post by Sunny on Oct 11, 2013 4:45:21 GMT
A simiilar thing has come - or is coming - to studland bay, Dorset. It has eel grass and sea horses. The ban is for all activity, to stop anchors being dropped by us and other pleasure craft.
So long as the MCZs are prohibited in a sensible way then all is fine...I guess ?
So I did hear they wish to bmake a sand bank - down off the east coats of the IOW - a MCZ. If that prevents trawlers and sand extraction cool..... but if it includes anglers then that would be disproportionate. We rely on that area, through Jan-March, to keep us in fishable marks. With the cod migration back to mid-channel, depleted bass stock and empty wrecks (due to commercial activity) we have very litte to fish for. We don't even have Flounder anymore as the estuary draggers have sold the lot to the lobster pot commercials. No bloomin flounder...its criminal.
No TAC on flounder...."Let's exterminate them" !!!
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Post by tomstevo on Oct 13, 2013 15:24:46 GMT
The Scottish Government is in the pocket of CF, its all about money.
At least in England there is some stakeholder representation from Anglers on the new IFCAs.
None In Scotland
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Post by Sunny on Oct 14, 2013 1:08:17 GMT
The Scottish Government is in the pocket of CF, its all about money. At least in England there is some stakeholder representation from Anglers on the new IFCAs. None In Scotland This is the reason why we - anglers - need a unified lobbying voice. We certainly have the numbers to make any government be concerned about our feelings, desires and wishes. But we lack the capability (so it seems) of agreeing on simple things. We are so easily driven to disagree with each other, let alone the government or the commercial fishing industry. I admit things are changing slowly. Virtually no angler would see the benefit in killing a porbeagle shark....because they are endangered. But try the same story with Undulate Rays and we all end up at each others throats (metaphorically)  We are all changing, our attitudes to fish are being driven by our own clear experiences....when we blank on the beach we know it is because the commercial fishing industry has hammered the fish stock. So we need to adopt the US style of lobbying, with the support of the tens of thousands of us behind one unified shout. |
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 19, 2013 9:00:16 GMT
The other "angling" site is crazy. "The Scottish Government is currently consulting on proposals for 33 new Marine Protected Areas, ranging from spectacular coral gardens and sponge reefs to sheltered sea lochs with fireworks anemones and two-metre tall sea pens. this is the bit i dont get,if the stuff is still there after centuries of commercial fishing,why does it need protecting now ? its obviously in an area that doesnt get fished. after personally catching the MCS manipulating results of their survey not so long ago,i take anything they have to say with a pinch of salt. cheers rab" Hi Rab I have the feeling you’re missing the point, If as you say the area has not been fished by commercial towed gear then what possible objection would there be to making the area an officially protected one; from the chances of it happening in the future. Not only does it keep the conservation people happy but the idea has been tried in Dorset with great success. The Lyme Bay Conservation Zone was set up with the cooperation of local commercials who now have the greater say in the management of the area that has been expanded because it is proving so successful. |
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 19, 2013 9:00:49 GMT
A simiilar thing has come - or is coming - to studland bay, Dorset. It has eel grass and sea horses. The ban is for all activity, to stop anchors being dropped by us and other pleasure craft. So long as the MCZs are prohibited in a sensible way then all is fine...I guess ? So I did hear they wish to bmake a sand bank - down off the east coats of the IOW - a MCZ. If that prevents trawlers and sand extraction cool..... but if it includes anglers then that would be disproportionate. We rely on that area, through Jan-March, to keep us in fishable marks. With the cod migration back to mid-channel, depleted bass stock and empty wrecks (due to commercial activity) we have very litte to fish for. We don't even have Flounder anymore as the estuary draggers have sold the lot to the lobster pot commercials. No bloomin flounder...its criminal. No TAC on flounder...."Let's exterminate them" !!! Sorry Nick but the Studland Bay issue is nothing like Rab’s MCZ: The Eel grass issue is as a result of the EU Habitat Directive home as you say to the Sea Horse. What you have here and this is only MPO is protection for a sea grass that like other marine foliage comes and goes mainly as a result of adverse weather. After hundreds of years of bait collection in the area these sea grass beds flourish as do the Sea Horses. Some dramatic claims have been made in that huge swaths of sea grass have been whipped out but I'm blowed if I know where from, nor do some of the so called experts for that matter. Worse than that bait collection, which as stated cannot be blamed for the suggest demise of sea grass, has been singled out by the incoming Southern IFCA byelaws, yet in theory you could drive over the grass in a 4x4, ride a nag over it even use one of them wind buggies. |
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Post by skyetoyman on Oct 19, 2013 18:31:37 GMT
sorry skyetoyman is not "Rab" pasted from another site and forgot to use quotes " to " are not my views.
Need more reefs.
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Post by Sunny on Oct 20, 2013 3:58:43 GMT
Thanks Bob.
On the subject of the bait collectors of Poole. They use barges and boats to dredge the worms. Some are quite complex afairs that bring up the mud and wash it over screens to trap the worms and allow the mud to fall back to the sea floor. Like mini sand-dregers. Incredible things and very ingenious, but I should imagine the damage they cause to the marine flora is not good.
Not sure whether they venture outside Poole Harbour to studland or are confined to the harbour.
I have also seen and spoken to the armies of young Polish guys who go out on boats each day to commercially dig for worms, on the islands and flats of Poole Harbour. We need the worms and they supply.
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 20, 2013 11:42:19 GMT
Thanks Bob. On the subject of the bait collectors of Poole. They use barges and boats to dredge the worms. Some are quite complex afairs that bring up the mud and wash it over screens to trap the worms and allow the mud to fall back to the sea floor. Like mini sand-dregers. Incredible things and very ingenious, but I should imagine the damage they cause to the marine flora is not good. Not sure whether they venture outside Poole Harbour to studland or are confined to the harbour. I have also seen and spoken to the armies of young Polish guys who go out on boats each day to commercially dig for worms, on the islands and flats of Poole Harbour. We need the worms and they supply. The dredging issue was mentioned at the bait conference and will be one of the driving factors behind the new byelaw as they would do the Eel Grass no good at all. Personally I still feel the Southern IFCA have taken a sledge hammer to crack a nut, but let’s not forget this is an EU directive and was banded as Red. As for commercial bait diggers nothing wrong with that providing like commercial fishing it is done sustainably and that the proceeds are fully declared. The truth is this is a huge unregulated black economy and that IMPO needs sorting out. |
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