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Post by bobshotter on Oct 17, 2013 20:50:14 GMT
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Post by iknowagoodplaice on Oct 17, 2013 20:59:50 GMT
Is Farage an angler? News to me. He is a one-policy political lightweight (not as the very short piece says a "heavyweight" - unless he's been overeating lately) who talks rubbish about the AT and fishing.
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 18, 2013 9:15:35 GMT
Is Farage an angler? News to me. He is a one-policy political lightweight (not as the very short piece says a "heavyweight" - unless he's been overeating lately) who talks rubbish about the AT and fishing. Is Farage an angler?
Well as it happens he is and quite a good one by all accounts. Dave Barham (Boat Fishing Monthly owner) fished with him this year and wrote a glowing report about the man and his fishing ability.
If you roll things back to 2009 when the EU article 47 first surfaced and later went on to become article 55 Farage had this to say in the EU parliament and now four years later we can see jusy how right he was………. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUAPV67RsVo
The thread however is about the Angling Trust which let’s not kid our self has not attracted the membership it expected which is why I have asked the question. Where have they gone wrong and what should or can they do to turn things around and get sea anglers signed up?
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Post by iknowagoodplaice on Oct 18, 2013 10:33:49 GMT
Spent the time to watch Farage's rant. His problem is he is against Europe full stop. But he is right that the CFP hasn't worked, though not because the policy was completely bad, but mainly because many countries have ignored it. It is complete nonsense to claim that controls on fisheries is to the detriment of angling. Anything that protects fish stocks is a benefit.
Why don't anglers join the AT? Because they are an apathetic bunch as they've always been, and some of the biggest mouths against it are those like Loony Lux who cannot open their mouths without hostile drivel pouring out. But at least we have a single representative now. Better than the old days with the NFA and NFSA who really did seem a bunch of buffers interested in nothing but matches.
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 18, 2013 13:01:20 GMT
After much soul searching I decided to join the Angling Trust this year not because I agree with their policies, let’s face it they don’t have many; but because they are the only representation we have.
While I fully accept to have a professional body you need professional people involved the AT and it’s CEO took the preverbal at the outset, in my book you should be rewarded for effort rather than how this org was set up but hey-ho that’s in the past we are where we are, Mr Lloyd has steered the AT into finical security and are on the face of it doing a professional job.
As Nick rightly said on another thread I honestly believe sea angling needs a lobby group of its own to push both the AT as well as government and that just might help get some interest in matter that are creeping up on us by the day.
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Post by Sunny on Oct 18, 2013 13:07:25 GMT
That was brilliant... he certainly let the commissioner have both both barrels...fantastic stuff.
Totally agree with his vision of DEGRA using the article to 'control' us. Licences cost money and increase the need for civil servants to administer it....all money (in-direct taxation) to the government; like they care a hoot about our sport :0)
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Post by regphillips on Oct 21, 2013 18:30:50 GMT
Personally I agree with Nigel Farage, the AT could do a lot worse than to sit down and talk with him.
We need doers.
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Post by tomstevo on Oct 21, 2013 19:49:00 GMT
we should sit down with the devil, if it improves RSA.
may be the AT should have given him the money instead of the other ex MP
Who has been conspicuous by his absence in any debate.
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Post by iknowagoodplaice on Oct 23, 2013 10:03:22 GMT
I doubt Farage has much to offer the AT. His main political interest is to get the UK out of Europe, and he'll hook in anyone to this end. His confrontational style would do us no favours. Martin Salter is a measured chap. I'd rather him than Farage with the AT.
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Post by tomstevo on Oct 23, 2013 19:35:28 GMT
I agree Farage is not my cup of tea, god I even have to check his name for spelling ever time I use it.
But what as Salter achieved, may be he has done something but the AT have been very quite about it if he has.
Anglers are fighting against highly organised and very well fund stakeholders, being nice will not impress them.
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Post by bobshotter on Oct 23, 2013 19:36:00 GMT
I doubt Farage has much to offer the AT. His main political interest is to get the UK out of Europe, and he'll hook in anyone to this end. His confrontational style would do us no favours. Martin Salter is a measured chap. I'd rather him than Farage with the AT. Having had dealings with both men I know which one I would prefer and that is the straight talking look you in the eye Farage. But why not use both Salter for the fresh water boys and Farage for Marine.
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Post by tomstevo on Oct 23, 2013 19:58:57 GMT
Today
“The vote in Strasbourg was on a 6.5 billion euro, or $8.9 billion, budget to finance the European Union’s Common Fisheries Policy for seven years beginning in 2014.”
And this is what they said at the end.
“Europe’s fishing fleet is two or three times larger than is ecologically and economically sound, according to the European Commission”
Make sense!!!
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Post by iknowagoodplaice on Oct 23, 2013 21:57:43 GMT
I think diplomacy rather than straight talking is likely to prove more effective, if less entertaining. I don't think it's a good idea to divide effort. We've had enough polarisation in the past. I think MS does a bit of sea fishing too doesn't he?
As to what MS and the AT have done so far, well I suppose it's on their website. But I think it's true that they haven't shot the lights out, but then the membership is low along with income. An uphill battle.
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