Emergency measure to stop pair trawling for bass

[walker]

Hi All

I've just copied this from an e-mail I've received, if you get a chance please e-mail you never know it may help. Thank you

Please email the EU Commission and tell them that you want them to take immediate emergency measures to stop the fishing for sea bass on spawning areas: [e-mail]

Update/Background Info:



The Bad News: the EU fisheries Ministers failed to agree on any measures to cut fishing for sea bass when they met on 15 December. The rumour is that the French were not prepared to accept any reduction in the amount of sea bass they can catch. Complete disregard for the legal requirement to manage the stock sustainably by following the scientists' advice.

The Good News: our Fisheries Minister, George Eustice MP, and DEFRA have taken the magnificent unilateral step of asking the EU Commission to introduce emergency measures to stop the pair trawling that takes place each Winter/Spring in the sea bass spawning areas:

"In line with the commitment made at Council, the UK stands ready to work with the Commission and the other Member States involved in this fishery to take measures to protect this stock from the start of January 2015. Given the urgency of the situation, we are hereby making a reasoned request, under the terms of Article 12 of the CFP Regulation (1380/2013), for the Commission to adopt emergency measures to alleviate the serious threat to the sea bass stock. To reduce fishing pressure by protecting the spawning aggregations the UK proposes the adoption of measures to close area VIIe to pelagic trawlers targeting bass during January to April 2015."

The EU Commission now has to decide within the next few weeks if it will act on the UK's request. The French commercial fishers are angry about the UK's request and will be vigorously lobbying the EU Commission to persuade them not to take action.

Let's tell the EU Commission that we care deeply about this and that they need to listen to us, not the owners of the 60 or so French pair trawlers that are destroying the sea bass population for short term profits!

Best wishes, David Curtis

[snoopy54]

I shall do that right now

[Purple]

I wonder what the Scots would have done about this in the event of devolution ..... (area VIIe is off Scotland)

However, clearly the "thin end of a wedge"

"the French were not prepared to accept any reduction in the amount of sea bass they can catch. Complete disregard for the legal requirement to manage the stock sustainably by following the scientists' advice"

Perhaps we should re-repatriate Calais - and then convince the endless stream of immigrants desperate to leave the Bass ridden land of France in favor of England, that they will need to spend their hard earned gratuities on omega 3.

Does pose a question though ..... since when does "scientists' advice" become a "legal requirement" ?

However - with no expectations of having these questions answered - you have my support.

It is the French after all ........

[walker]

Thanks both, although not un-expected its a shame to see such a general lack of response. I have posted this on 3 forums and had a sum total of 3 replies and on one it has been removed because its a C&P topic, what ever that is.

Good point about the Scots though

[gosling]

Jan 1, 2015 9:08:01 GMT walker said:

Thanks both, although not un-expected its a shame to see such a general lack of response. I have posted this on 3 forums and had a sum total of 3 replies and on one it has been removed because its a C&P topic, what ever that is.

Good point about the Scots though

Don't take it to heart, a lack of response does not necessarily mean a lack of action, although I accept that an awful lot of anglers are only too happy to complain but not actually do anything.

[skyetoyman]

The Scots in the event of a yes vote (sadly it was no)would have protected Scotland fish . If the Irish can ban all commercial bass fishing and an angler limit 2 per day (45mm) then so could the UK. I did email the commission as I hope many others have.
Not many Bass in Scotland but I have booked 12 days at Courtmacsherry - Eire in September.

[iknowagoodplaice]

Jan 1, 2015 9:08:01 GMT walker said:

Thanks both, although not un-expected its a shame to see such a general lack of response. I have posted this on 3 forums and had a sum total of 3 replies and on one it has been removed because its a C&P topic, what ever that is.

Good point about the Scots though

wsf will delete such topics because it doesn't want to advertise that stocks are at risk (since it's run by commercial fishermen).

I have emailed Dr Friess in support of the proposed measures.

[walker]

Thanks everyone for the e-mails

[bleth]

]wsf will delete such topics because it doesn't want to advertise that stocks are at risk (since it's run by commercial fishermen).

what a load of cobblers .your post was probably deleted because cr@p is closed . wsf is certainly not run by commercial fishermen .there are comms who contribute , but all of them also practice rod and line angling .

those who do contribute are extremely well informed ,.............which you aint
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[bleth]

Good point about the Scots though[/quote]wsf will delete such topics because it doesn't want to advertise that stocks are at risk (since it's run by commercial fishermen).


the debate about fish stocks has raged in cr@p for well over a year . with particular emphasis on black bream and bass .

if you wish to criticise , at least take the trouble to check your facts

[iknowagoodplaice]

Jan 8, 2015 19:34:26 GMT bleth said:

]wsf will delete such topics because it doesn't want to advertise that stocks are at risk (since it's run by commercial fishermen).

what a load of cobblers .your post was probably deleted because cr@p is closed . wsf is certainly not run by commercial fishermen .there are comms who contribute , but all of them also practice rod and line angling .

those who do contribute are extremely well informed ,.............which you aint
.

I don't post there, but others here will confirm the wsf bias towards commercial fishing if you can't see it for yourself. Whether they are informed or not, their defence of commercial interests overides and goes against the interests of sea angling. What was that you were saying about being well informed? If you are disputing the parlous state of fish stocks then you really need to direct your query over the facts to yourself.

[Sunny]

Jan 8, 2015 19:34:26 GMT bleth said:

]wsf will delete such topics because it doesn't want to advertise that stocks are at risk (since it's run by commercial fishermen).

what a load of cobblers .your post was probably deleted because cr@p is closed . wsf is certainly not run by commercial fishermen .there are comms who contribute , but all of them also practice rod and line angling .

those who do contribute are extremely well informed ,.............which you aint
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Hi Bleth,
I certainly don't wish to discourage healthy debate on here. But it must always be friendly...always; as that is our declared culture. The forum is also no place for commercial fishermen and if they sneak through the door without the guts to declare who they are ...they will be banned without notice or appeal (anglers only on B&B).

I would add, that whilst most RSA do not know much about nets sizes, quotas for different species or who is the EU fisheries minister.....all of that does not really matter. Quotas etc is mostly stuff that is industry specific and on this forum we can doubtless boast an immense wealth of expertise in many industries and trades; which would baffle a commercial fishermen. Expecting anglers to know the in-depth regulations and catch rates in all of the regions ( for example) is an industry specific knowledge. What really matters and the anglers are truly experts in, is that bass and all other species of fish have declined beyond recognition in our lifetimes. The smoking gun held in the greedy hands of commercial fishermen can never be defended.

On the subject of WSF moderators and members who are 'allegedly' both commercial fishermen and anglers that is not borne out by the facts. I once took great pleasure in posting a thread on there, titled 'Anglers and Danglers'. I researched all of their posts and named those that had ever posted a catch report (even just one) as Anglers and those that had never ever posted one I called Danglers. Much to their annoyance.

You have to question why a Commercial fishermen - who never ever fishes with rod-n-line - would wish to go on an angling forum. The truth is simple and tells of an industry obsessed with managing propaganda. I have to be honest and admit that they are winning the war and by controlling WSF, sea anglers are not able to speak or be heard; without vicious campaigns and ridicule by an organised and controlling mob.
They are most certainly not all anglers; absolutely not. Their interest is not in anglers but in filling their own pockets with cash, from both legal and utterly illegal catches. It is the shear number of times they have been caught illegally landing beyond quota that makes a complete mockery of the quota scheme...they are meaningless EU targets that have no association whatsoever with the activities of the vast bulk of commercial fishing activity. It used to be the case that you could say the odd bad apple....but that tosh has long since been pushed aside by organised and systematic abuse of landing records. They are quite simply water-pikeys.

The high number of commercial fishermen in the role of moderators on WSF is shocking. Their behaviour on that forum is worse than shocking (imo).

Right back to the discussion on fish
Gosh it was good to have that little outburst. Not that it will bring back the fish !!!!!

[bleth]

hi sunny

as I said in my reply to your pm . I am not a c/f . to be fair , engine probs on my boat and 2 potentially life threatening sojourns in eastbourne general have prevented any fishing of consequence during last year .

as a member of the committee of LISA (Local Independent Sea Anglers I make a point of learning info which may be of importance to RSAs and passing this on to our members . others of our number do the same .

I took the trouble of chasing down Anglers and Danglers some while back , so I am familiar with its content . and I believe you had another brief sally early last year .

unlike you , I find the input by the comms extremely valuable ,they are extremely knowledgable . Stevieg , Seafoods,etc know their stuff .as does the incomparable Para. who sadly is now permanently banned from wsf .

para , I don't think fishes with rod and line. he has a commercial licence , but catches for his own use .Stevieg and Seafoods certainly do fish with rod and line .

there are no c/fs on wsf who are mods .

LISA was born on wsf , and has had the support of mike and his team from day one ,which rather gives the lie to your comment relating to RSAs not being heard .we most certainly are.
there is no controlling mob but they have in the past been rude and aggressive . old cr@p is now history . the new forum is to be modded much more effectively.

I don't know who you are accusing of landing illegal fish ,but the inference is that wsf mods are involved ,or have been . I take it you are aware of the law regarding slander.

I don't know how long it is since you logged on to wsf ., but clearly ,it is some time .best check your facts before you gob it Sunny . egg on your face can be messy .(that is an observation btw .nothing more.
Dave

[bleth]

Jan 11, 2015 15:56:20 GMT iknowagoodplaice said:

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I don't post there, but others here will confirm the wsf bias towards commercial fishing if you can't see it for yourself. Whether they are informed or not, their defence of commercial interests overides and goes against the interests of sea angling. What was that you were saying about being well informed? If you are disputing the parlous state of fish stocks then you really need to direct your query over the facts to yourself.[/quote]

but you don't go there . you certainly don't post there at least .so who are you to judge what is said , and by whom , and for what reason .

the real villain of the piece is the CFP . the comms are perfectly entitled to do what they do provided it is legal .and it is their right to fish legally that many on wsf seek to protect . that does not mean many ,including myself would not like to see changes in the law.

parlous state of fish stocks ? there are more cod about in our waters than for the last 20 years . black bream . ? they were a pain in the neck this year . bass ? not too many about in the channel this year , granted , but they have spread north around our coast and none of those fish have been included (yet)in stock calculations .the figures used for assumptions on stock levels was based on the Solent area only .
todays EU conflab gives just a glimmer of hope that the pairs will be banned from taking spawning fish . lets hope so -we should know next week .mackerel ? not many off the IoW this year but the N.Atlantic was rammed . I saw a programme last week were a boat took 500 tonnes in one tow.

if you want to criticise check YOUR facts

[iknowagoodplaice]

Jan 16, 2015 22:03:50 GMT bleth said:

but you don't go there . you certainly don't post there at least .so who are you to judge what is said , and by whom , and for what reason .

I would have thought that fairly obvious - the site is readable to all. I have posted there in the past, but there were so many bullying idiots who were incapable of mustering any reasonable and coherent argument they resorted to cat-calling and general juvenilia, I withdrew after mauling their crass responses. The mods were as bad, if not worse; in fact they happily delete anyone who responds robustly to the bully clan there. Maybe Thrussell has weeded out the morons there but I doubt it.

Maybe fish stocks have improved a little, but nothing like enough to show a real improvement in sea fishing, especially from the shore. Fish population surveys give no reason for optimism. Stocks are still in a bad state, despite the odd 500 ton catch of mackerel - a reason they are scare this year? You keep rattling on about facts, but, typically for a WSFer (are you one of the familiars in disguise?) you accuse others of offering none when you have none yourself. You'll never see anyone on WSF quote fish survey data, although you will see them slag off the EU, Europeans, scientists - anyone except the commercial propagandists and ridiculous lackeys who seem happy to watch their sea angling go down the pan. Commercial fishing, the industrial scale stuff, is the main problem. That they use what is ostensibly an angling site to perpetuate their self deception is remarkable.