Saying Hi !!!!!!

[skatenchips]

Hi Richard, Bloomin typical mate.the old lady sez go fishing !!
Its either drown half a tin of luncheon meat with 6oz of lead in the Thames nr me for BARBEL...or.....sit on the beach (on me own)
looking for another 4lb stray Plaice to appear.!! hhhmmmm.
Oddly enough my intro to sea fishing was on a pier 40 yrs ago,
a pouting on Shanklin pier...I.O.W
However my recent trips have all been on terrafirma.looking
40 ft down and casting my tackle into so much ironmongery
doesnt have that appeal anymore..!!! But im sure the pier officianadoes will tell me otherwise.
Anyway im gonna wet a line one way or tother.

Gary

[skatenchips]

Question...The best rig is a clipped up two hook type. This needs to be about 30" long with a bead trapped swivel set in the middle of the rig taking one hook length and another bead trapped swivel placed at the base close to the weight. Use a size 4 rolling swivel at the top and size 3/0 Mustad Oval Split Ring to take the weight. The bait clips are mounted on the rig upside and should be placed between the top hook length and the rolling swivel, with the lower clip placed between the two trapped swivels........Bcos of my limited casting abilities
is it fair to say this (up) clipped rig i have pasted here would be more efficient to give me extra distance(15lb line fixed spool user)on a shingle beach and the species im after.

Cheers Gary

[Pete B]

Sounds complicated Gary!

Not really, I know what your describing but my advice would be not to complicate things unnecessarily. Clipped rigs will gain you more distance but distance isnt always the key! (apologies if patronising).

If you do want to build clipped rigs my advice would be to make the snoods adjustable & clip down rather than up. Sandwich the swivel between two beads but use 'powergum' rather than a crimp outside the beads. The 'powergum' will allow you to drag the snood up & down the rig body.
Using break-away leads which incorporate a bait clip may be a consideration also.
A Bomber type rig where one snood comes from the top of the rig & another snood from the middle, then both clip into the same bait clip just above or on the lead is an idea. This gives you both snood options, a long snood for plenty of movement & a shorter snood too for loading with a bigger bait.

Another idea is to use ready made rigs at first (rolled eyes - I know) but if only to experiment with. Once you find your favourites / most successfull then make your own & add the personal touches.

Pete

[topbanana]

hi gary and welcome to the forum all good people on here and lots of good advice

[skatenchips]

Ok....having rummaged through countless "Time of Year" fishing sites,it would appear
my best chance of a knock is Southampton Water....ie....Hythe for Flounder or Calshot for
Plaice/Bass.i am going Fri/AM. Regardless of the outcome i will post a mess fri night.
If anybody has any ideas or tips to help re the venues i would be pleased to give em a try.

Cheers Gary

[skatenchips]

Firstly thanks for the advice pete,too thick skinned for patronising effects mate.......however
if you say that ever again............lol
Right,im one o these horrid folks that makes my own floats and loves to catch on em.!!!
so.i figured make my own rigs....same result.
My query is re your comment on the "movable snood"....i am obviously influenced by what ive been reading,hence ive made rigs up with the crimps on thinking that they are to keep the snood in place ,so when you stretch the snood to "clip it" it is the correct distance.
If i P/gum them instead to "as you say" keep them movable im assuming you cant then clip the rig cos of the different distance . Sorry to ask the obvious mate but its such a learning
curve...ill stick a BIGGER weight on itll sink in quicker.!!!! lol
and.......Hi top nanna .thanks mate..im eager to learn.

Cheers Gary

[Pete B]

skatenchips said:

Right,im one o these horrid folks that makes my own floats and loves to catch on em.!!!
so.i figured make my own rigs....same result.

Spot on Gary! in my eyes making your own rigs is the only way but a beginner might find a selection of popular ready-made rigs handy to suss out the best couple for their chosen venues rather than make up a couple of all types just to see.

skatenchips said:

My query is re your comment on the "movable snood"....i am obviously influenced by what ive been reading,hence ive made rigs up with the crimps on thinking that they are to keep the snood in place ,so when you stretch the snood to "clip it" it is the correct distance.
If i P/gum them instead to "as you say" keep them movable im assuming you cant then clip the rig cos of the different distance . Sorry to ask the obvious mate but its such a learning
curve

As you will have found out, when securing snoods with crimps you will complete the snood in full then put the hook in the bait clip & push the crimps, beads & snood swivel up the rig body till the snood line is taught & then secure the crimp in place.
The problem being is that inevitably the snood or rig body will stretch from being bullied out of a snag or you will loose the hook etc etc & the snood will no longer suit. This is when you'll have a problem, if you try tying a new snood on you will never be able to make the snood fit between fixed off snood swivel & bait clip.

A PowerGum knot replacing the crimps on your snoods allow you to move the snood up & down the rig body to suit the bait clip.
The stop knot is tight on the rig body but can be dragged up & down on it with thumb & fore-finger.
I used to crimp everything & ended throwing away rigs because of single snood faults. PowerGum is great, easily adjustable on-site without even having to get a tool out.
Leaving the bait clip moveable is another option but if both snoods go to the same clip you will have to either have to tie the replacement snood to the exact length of the existing one or replace both snoods.

All my clipped rigs are either clipped down to a break-away lead itself or to a clip just above the lead. Both snoods are adjustable & the bait clip also.

Hope this Helps Gary, I went on a bit I know its hard to describe something I could show you in seconds. Let me know if its all total waffle ;D & just ask if I can waffle on in more depth about anything else mate ;D
Clear as mud I expect
Pete

[Pete B]

An Intro I know but it has turned into Q & A, so I thought Gary may get some more answers here

[Metal_Micky]

Hi gary, I started sea fishing then spent about 15 years course fishing until a few years back when i started going with a m8 down the beach again. Dab fishing 1 day, carping the next, aint life grand. What i did notice when i returned to sea, is the rigs are a lot more thought out, lightest of lines are used, hooks down to size 12, i use bigger perch fishing at times. Hi-tec low diameter hook-links, sometimes as low as 5lb. When i went before, it was 30lb everything. You certainly catch more on lighter gear, i spend most of the summer fishing samphire hoe, for wrasse, pollock bass etc. I used to use rotton bottoms and a bit of steel off-cut from my work when i first went 3 years ago. But iv started last year fishing under a float, just above the rocks. New species came my way since iv adopted a lighter approach too. My advice, fish as light as possible, (within reason of course) if everyones using 3/0 hooks, try a size 6, but dont be tempted to hair rig a boilie on it, Although......... it may just work!!

[skatenchips]

well !!!! "Pete powergum" to the rescue......i dropped off half way through reading it
jude woke me and sed comeon another chapter yet...lol.....thanks mate great description
and yes all made sense..!! and yes ya coulda told me in 10 seconds (maybe one day).
I should think as freshwater pete....ie ... i throw my rigs away after 1 use...yet
for some reason think my sea rig is gonna stay all lovely in its plastic bag having been stretched to buggery on the sea bed and that it will do for the next trip......WRONG.
G makes note to self......buy some power gum..!!!!

Thanks for your words too Mick it is a tuff transition to sea angling ...cos everything is on a bigger scale...sea/tide/rocks and fish with teeth..well some..!!
I guess my "Scaling down" will come in time,if i read more of your type of approach
rather than expecting a conger any second on a flattie rig .. i will learn to adjust my
rigs to the venues i fish. By the way thanks for the word "Summer"in your statement,
i could feel a lovely warming glow.....just for a second.!!!!

[skatenchips]

Just a quick thought as i am gonna fish Hythe this coming Fri/AM,
I am going to try a swimfeeder/lead combination filled with sponge and a "yet to be tried"
essence in it with Glug artificial rag on the flappers !!!!
and a conventional live rag set up on the 2nd rod.
A mike Thrussell "Sea Feeder" article has whetted my appetite to try it.....gord elp me...lol
any opinions on this fellers..
My other observation is re the "grip leads" used in flounder fishing,beit 4 or 5 ozs
i have read they are a lazy fish..so my up river rolling lead style of fishing for barbel and chub
in fast flows....can this not be tried with a single hook set up to cover more ground ,just wind in steadily to stay in touch with your terminal tackle......crazy thinking....huh
Go on chop me off at the knees...any thoughts.??

cheers GARY

[Metal_Micky]

Trouble is with rolling baits, they roll straight into the nearest snag, and a sea trace, weight, hooks and bait is an expensive buisness. I like to nail mine down hard, I use 6 - 7 oz usually, and me m8 vic uses 4 - 5 oz, and some times, using the same bait and rigs(he pinches mine) i well out fish him, with no reason to it other than 'possibly' the fact his bait is washing about all over the shop. If them fish are hungry they will come.

[skatenchips]

Hi Mick........interesting how different techniques work mate
i always try and keep th bait moving mate.unless the species are reknowed lazy buggers.
tackle losses on mud/sand estuaries are few so im willin to chance it.single hook.3oz drilled bullet+bait of the day..if plaice are about ill have a chance..flounder ill nail it !!!!!
Bass (please god) are another chaser of baits...so ill stick with the movin bait theory.
tell that to your mate though.......NOT lololol keep kickin his ****
ill post how i get on !!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers Gary

[dean macey]

i have also coppied micks nailed to the seabed theory this year and end of last year and have never caught so many fish.they seem to self hook and rarely miss a bite.i caught more dogs in one night early dec than i had in my life using a 7oz lead stuck to the bottom.i dont think we have as many estury type places to fish for flats though as they seem to have down the west country.
as for rigs mate i am a bit lazy 6 different patterns from veals does me a treat.i do wish i had the patience as me brother daz will spend hours fine tuning a rig,as mick said earlier sea fishing has now caught up with the finer art of presentation and long may it continue.

[peterpan3494]

hi gary and welcome to the forum
your in very good hands
some top quality guys on here

pete