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Post by pjl83 on Sept 20, 2009 21:03:27 GMT
Apart from using a "rotten bottom" link, is there anything else you guys do differently when fishing rocky ground. I did notice that lead shape made a difference. My normal leads are quite dumpy grip leads but as I last a few rigs last night I started to dig deep into my box and found a couple of longer and more slimline leads that I got from one of the charity raffles. These also had a long wire out of the top with the eye about 3 inches from the actual lead itself. I found that these got caught up less. Is this the usual thing or was it just coincidence? What do you guys use? Thanks pj  |
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Post by basskingfifteen on Sept 21, 2009 1:44:24 GMT
strong arms and wind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hard ;D
and use a rod thats upto it, not a windsock ;D
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Post by eccles on Sept 21, 2009 6:47:18 GMT
1. Smaller hooks are far less likely to get snagged than large ones and they will still catch fish.
2. Always use a fixed spool reel because you can wind like stink with them unlike multis - I always wind as fast as I can when fishing one particular rough ground spot. Can't say I haven't occasionally lost a rig at that spot but not that many.
3. If you do get snagged, try slacking off the line then walking 30 yds along the beach and having another go - sometimes works.
4. If using gripper leads, trim the spikes down shorter - I have found that many gripper leads have spikes which are unnecessarily long and I invariably trim them down a bit these days.
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Post by sailorboyrob on Sept 21, 2009 8:56:37 GMT
Theres a few different schools of thought on this one. I personally use longer grip wires and bend them out to about 90 degrees to the lead. This tends to prevent the lead finding the gaps in the rocks. My mate however fishes plain leads on rough ground cos theyre easier to pull out.
As for rigs a pulley is a must in my opinion with a rotten bottom. Try to keep all the components small to minimise the chances of snagging on anything.
One you have broken your lead out of the bottom wind like mad and dont stop. I have seen pleanty of fish lost when people have stopped cranking halfway in.
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Post by greysfanboy on Sept 21, 2009 9:24:44 GMT
25-30lb mainline, stiff rod, basic rig with minimal components (pulley ideal) no poncy chains of links/swivels etc, and basically like Drew said - wind like f**k! ;D
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Post by stevieboy on Sept 21, 2009 9:34:50 GMT
I fish very rough ground most of the time and lost a shed load of gear before finding an acceptable solution. I was spending more time tying on new shockleaders than fishing. The best you can do is to try to avoid the "full house" where you loose everything up to and including your shockleader. If you make your snood and your weak leadlink line slightly lower breaking strain than your main line then you can reduce the chances of losing the lot. For bass/codling in rough ground I use 30lb mainline, 25lb snood and the same 25lb for the weak line. Snagging usually results in either a lost snood or a lost weight. Both of which can be replaced in a minute or two. I use those Gemini weak link things for the weak link. I think they're safer when your "giving it the beans" when casting  Steve. |
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Post by codfather11 on Sept 21, 2009 11:28:51 GMT
use a pully rig as the fish hits the bait the rig is desighn so the fish pulls the lead out then pump a wind
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Post by martyng on Sept 21, 2009 11:32:04 GMT
More often its the hook that snags than the weight, but when the weight does snag you risk losing the lot. On really rough ground I use 30lb line straight through to the hook, the weight being on a running leger with a stopper about 12 inches from the hook for casting.
Otherwise I use a Portland Rig with a weak link or cannylink at the bottom. Pulley Rigs aren't as effective as people would like to believe on rough ground. A strong rod, an even stronger reel and a good steady pull will free most snags if you use thin wire aberdeen-type hooks :-)
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Post by solehunter on Sept 21, 2009 11:37:26 GMT
Leave your multies at home and take a good sized fixed spool. The quicker retrieve will get your rig up on the surface in no time if you hold your rod vertical and reel like stink.
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Post by The Codfather of Sole on Sept 21, 2009 11:57:21 GMT
Wind like fcuk is probably the best bit of advice, along with heavy mainline/high ratio reel/long rod...
...planing leads and lead lifts are worth a go too - make them from ice cream tubs instead of buying them
...if Congering, bury the hooks in the bait a bit more than say, if you were targeting Bass
...Circle hooks will reduce hook ups
...try and find a clear patches and gullies between rocks at LT
...fish somewhere that you can retrieve lost gear the day after!
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Post by greysfanboy on Sept 21, 2009 13:11:22 GMT
Leave your multies at home and take a good sized fixed spool. The quicker retrieve will get your rig up on the surface in no time if you hold your rod vertical and reel like stink. Don't forget the pair of pliers to tighten the drag up  |
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Post by kingcrackoff on Sept 21, 2009 14:12:33 GMT
The only thing i can add to this is how i tie my pulleys for rough ground. Basically i make the whole thing alot longer than i normally would and have the snood no longer than half the length of the main trace (swivel to the weight), sometimes i will go shorter than this. I find it helps keep the bait and hooks off the bottom, with the normal pulley the whole thing wafts around looking for a snag, with this set up it tends to hold it up off the bottom and away from the rough ground.
Ive also found this set up to be really good when theres lots of static weed on the bottom smothering the baits, especially that evil 'jap weed' sh*t
Hope it helps
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Post by basskingfifteen on Sept 21, 2009 16:47:34 GMT
IOW rough ground normally means congers, bass and big wrasse .........and rays  compromise on weak snoods and fine hooks at your peril pj......just my opinion  its the type of ground for decent fish so dont use flattie rigs if your gona fish the heavy ground you WILL lose gear whatever you do.....some times alot and sometimes nothing prevailing winds change alot of marks over a tide or two and the sand can shift....always best to have a little look at low if you can....... just follow the simple rules .......decent rod,reel etc and gain experience as you go.......all marks are different and the mark you are talking about seems to be cleaner the further you cast ;D BUT if you are loseing that much gear, move no point fishing it if you cant land anything , the snags can become easier to avoid or worse depending on which direction the tides running or which way the winds from Be a bully .....even eels you can give plenty of stick to ......and sometimes they give you plenty of stick but theres not a bass alive that cant be landed on reasonable gear ....but they will bust you up ........if allowed ;D |
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Post by pjl83 on Sept 21, 2009 17:35:19 GMT
cheers everyone! some good points there. |
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Post by solehunter on Sept 21, 2009 18:49:19 GMT
Leave your multies at home and take a good sized fixed spool. The quicker retrieve will get your rig up on the surface in no time if you hold your rod vertical and reel like stink. Don't forget the pair of pliers to tighten the drag up No need. Well, unless you get hung in |
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